I posted last week about 18-year-0ld Jamie Kuntz being kicked off his college football team for kissing his 65-year-old boyfriend during an away game. His coach informed him that he was a “distraction” to the team.
SB Nation has shot a video interview with Jamie, in which he gives more details about his dismissal, being outed, and having a significantly older boyfriend. They also talk to his family, his former teammates, and his former school’s athletic officials.
Our post got a ton of comments last week. Some commentators noted that we should mind our own business and declared that love is love as long as it’s between two consenting adults. Others (including myself) professed uneasiness about the extreme age difference between Jamie and his boyfriend and wondered if that was the reason for Jamie’s ousting. And a few people pointed out that Jamie was perhaps not thrown off his football team for being gay or making out with an elderly boyfriend, but for initially lying to his coach about what was going on.
The athletic director tells the interviewer that their focus was “the effect [Jamie’s making out with his bf?] had on the team.” He was told that he was officially dismissed for “lying”.
It’s funny (not really). It’s very easy as a blogger to be…I use the word “flippant” to describe the tone I write in….so flippant about our subject matter. It’s always a stark reminder that, when I watch a vid like this and virtually meet Jamie and his family, the Internet has rendered me (and many others) a callous sniper on the keyboard. When Jamie’s mom started to cry while explaining how she thought she had done something wrong resulting in Jamie liking (very old) dudes, well, it makes it a lot more difficult to pass judgement so easily.
We compartmentalize ourselves in this biz, so nothing can touch us emotionally and we can introduce topics and express our opinions on them without being sucked in or swayed by sentiment or pity. It’s not always a positive thing.
Anyway, no lie, I still feel skeevy about Jamie’s relationship and I really want to meet the dude he’s with and get THAT guy’s side of the story because I imagine him to be a little pervy. But Jamie seems like a good guy, and it’s a little harder to judge him now that I’ve met him. John Travolta, on the other hand…
– J. Harvey
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I think it’s a flat out lie whenever they say they would kick him off if he was kissing a female.
I kind of agree with them that it’s a ‘distraction’ though.
I’m conflicted about where I stand exactly, but I think that the school has made it a bigger deal than it is.
I think it’s a flat out lie whenever they say they would kick him off if he was kissing a female.
I kind of agree with them that it’s a ‘distraction’ though.
I’m conflicted about where I stand exactly, but I think that the school has made it a bigger deal than it is.
I think it’s a flat out lie whenever they say they would kick him off if he was kissing a female.
I kind of agree with them that it’s a ‘distraction’ though.
I’m conflicted about where I stand exactly, but I think that the school has made it a bigger deal than it is.
I think it’s a flat out lie whenever they say they would kick him off if he was kissing a female.
I kind of agree with them that it’s a ‘distraction’ though.
I’m conflicted about where I stand exactly, but I think that the school has made it a bigger deal than it is.
also, the coach totally averted the question at the end and shoved it on the school.
Have you really been outed if you were making out with your boyfriend on the bench during a football game?
Have you really been outed if you were making out with your boyfriend on the bench during a football game?
Oh my fucking CHRIST, J. Harvey? When will you learn? “I still feel skeevy about Jamie’s relationship and I really want to meet the dude he’s with and get THAT guy’s side of the story because I imagine him to be a little pervy.” So, you feel bad about what you said about Jamie, but you still feel–without even talking to or hearing from the guy–that you can pronounce his boyfriend “a little pervy.”
How about this as the general rule: dudes who take other dudes’ cocks in their mouths and up their butts (which the vast majority of folks in the vast majority of cultures for the vast majority of time have considered “a little pervy”) adopt a “live and let live” attitude toward other people’s romantic, erotic, relational proclivities.
ESPECIALLY WHEN just *five* seconds ago, they had their “flippant commentary” handed to them by a tear-stained video clip. Geez.
I also posted that I was uneasy about the age difference; however, I think the school is setting a double standard. Fuck them!
I will never learn. I’m just blogging what I feel. I feel bad that we pick apart people’s lives, but I also feel that there’s something off about a 65 year old looking to date an 18-tear-old. I guess I need to meet them.
I will never learn. I’m just blogging what I feel. I feel bad that we pick apart people’s lives, but I also feel that there’s something off about a 65 year old looking to date an 18-tear-old. I guess I need to meet them.
I will never learn. I’m just blogging what I feel. I feel bad that we pick apart people’s lives, but I also feel that there’s something off about a 65 year old looking to date an 18-tear-old. I guess I need to meet them.
I will never learn. I’m just blogging what I feel. I feel bad that we pick apart people’s lives, but I also feel that there’s something off about a 65 year old looking to date an 18-tear-old. I guess I need to meet them.
GayMeUp, I have to thank you just for being a lone voice of sanity in a wilderness of double standards.
This just in from Manhunt’s pen: if the government hasn’t pronounced you to be what it defines as a ‘legal adult’, you are incapable of any feelings other than trauma when faced with romantic or sexual interaction! Also, even if you technically already are, it’s probably still wrong.
Opinions are like assholes, yada yada. But if you feel that way, are you entitled to feel offended when other people out there think there’s something off about any dude dating any other dude? I don’t think so.
Opinions are like assholes, yada yada. But if you feel that way, are you entitled to feel offended when other people out there think there’s something off about any dude dating any other dude? I don’t think so.
Opinions are like assholes, yada yada. But if you feel that way, are you entitled to feel offended when other people out there think there’s something off about any dude dating any other dude? I don’t think so.
There’s a difference though between him thinking there’s something off about it and him not wanting them to be allowed to be together. People should be allowed to their opinions, and if someone doesn’t like the idea of guys dating one another, or an almost 50 year age gap in a relationship, then they’re entitled to those beliefs. The problem is if a person believes their opinion should supercede the rights of the people involved.
I hope the boyfriend has BIG MONEY.
i’m over this guy already! old news, move on. i’m with harvey all the way.. it’s gross these two are together and it IS a distraction when you see someone 18 making out with someone 65.. gay or straight. it’s disgusting. judgmental, cynical, i don’t care really just my opinion but. 65? both have problems! bye
Interesting comments. I’ll come from my experience. I am 54 and my partner of 6 years just turned 26. Add some years and you have Jamie and ??? difference in ages. Hhmmm
He contacted me 2 weeks before his 20th birthday on an online dating site. It took me the longest period of being okay with such an extreme difference. He never had a question and reassured my doubts. His parents seem to be okay with it all before I was. I have made peace with that now and it’s not in my mind. I’m always shocked when someone asks if he’s my son. We just smile at them.
After I talked with my gay friend who was a psych nurse I found out this was a scene. Since I’m a meditator and do things like that I made peace using that part of me to just realize that he’s a much older soul than most men I’ve met of any age and we are most comfortable with each other in all ways. So, after I had those thoughts about Jamie and ??? – I just reminded myself that there was a time I couldn’t make sense of who I’m now going to marry.
Honestly, I’ve never been a fan of any couple making out in public, gay, straight, what-have-you. But this comes across as someone trying to send a message — or test the boundaries of the football team — not to mention good taste.
The school hasn’t…the media has.
The school hasn’t…the media has.